Septemker 15, 1985 ESTABUSHED AUG. 7. 19475 THE MD. sw. Castlésat News IARIABER OF THE B,C, PRESS COUNCIL twice vytinty MAY 4. Uv CAMPBELL PUBLISHER AUG. 7, 1947 FEB. 1, 19/5 PUBLISHER, — Burt Campbell PLANT FOREMAN — Peter Harvey OFFICE MANAGER — Linda Kositsin_- ry 2. Tay AUS 271980 lon Norman CIRCULATION MANAGER — Heather Hadley prodyced jovided. Noweaver thet copyright wn thal port prools, engravings, eX, provided by ine Gdveriwer shall temmovn vn ond sey, ree gone The City of Cosilegar's role in last Sunday morning's Doukh part of Castlegar os- Columbia Who b Village fire was nothing to be proud of. The city’s volunteer fire depar- tment was asked for help but refused. The city said it has a policy of not answering fires out- side its boundaries There were other reasons. The city said the fire was so far along that its crews likely couldn't have saved the buildings anyway (that may Be. Coke but at the time the +-t0-help more from the tourists the village attrac- fed — and who will feel the loss more os than Castlegar. businesses? The city should have made an exception in this instan- ce, just as it should have if the National Exhibition Centre had been on fire. The city's part in the mutual aid discussions has been no better. A mutual aid agreement ‘ between Castlegar and Areas | and J has UEAERRET _Letters to. the Editor _Remember The first fall meeting of the Castle _ gar District Board of Trade-washeld last Thursday night in the Parish Hall. Don West visited with his parents, Mr..and Mrs. R.A.D. West over the holiday weekend, Pe ieee aes The Consolidated Mining and Smelt- ing Company of Canada Ltd. has an- nounced. an ingrease in the temporary supplemental allowances which were granted in 1948 to. Cominco pensioners receiving less than $45 per. month under the company’s non-contributory pension plan. ._ * * Mrs. Thea A. Gibson visited at the home of Mr. and Mrs. A.T. Horswill for two days this week. Mrs. Gibson. was returning from an extended holiday trip to Eastern Canada and the United States. .- 2 Canada’s navy chief said the navy is taking all of its destroyers out of moth- the two brick community houses were apparently still in danger). The city also’ says its pumper trucks are fitted for hydrants. The village not only doesn’t have hydrants, but it doesn't have an adequate water supply. Nevertheless, the main reason was that the fire was outside city limits. If city firefighters had gone to the village and another fire had broken out in. Castlegar, the city could have been open to liability claims. No one can blame the city for wasn’t just another fire outside city boundaries. It was a fire at the city’s major tourist draw. The village _may—_be— in chenic,but-it-is-as- mucho been~in-the tages"-for: more than a year and a half. Why? Certainly, the wheels of gover- nment don't always turn quickly, but 18 months to prepare a fire agreement is ridiculous. The city has been presented with three different mutual aid contrac- ts and balked at each: The wording hasn't been right. Areas | and J didn’t have.any difficulties with the wording; they went ahead with their own agreement last month after growing tired of waiting for Castlegar. Another contract has since been prepared and will go to the area fire chiefs, the regional district and city council. Let's get on with signing this one so the next time a major fire occurs — inside or out- best fire protection available. Time for action It's time residents in this area served notice to our federal. politicians that arson by a small band of fanatics is completely in- tolerable. They should know. the problem needs to be addressed and solved once and for all. ‘The alleged arson which destroyed most of the historic Doukhobor Village last Sunday erning was a tragedy. But it was atragedy that should never have occurredbecause it was so ob-_ vious. It_was obvious to everyone, it seems, but the federal politicians in.Ottawa. Now it's up to area residents to ensure the tragedy never occurs again. Residents are urged to write federal Justice Minister John Crosbie and Kootenay West MP Bob Brisco in Ottawa. Letters can be sent free to their offices in the Parliament buildings. As well, write provincial Attor- ney-General Brian Smith in Vic- toria c/o the Legislature. Village great asset Editor, Castlegar: News: The Canadian Doukhobor Society would like to express its deepest sorrow and disappointment in the Sunday morning fire that has taken not only the buildings of the Doukhobor Village but also the many antiques that were donated and kept in the museum for the general public and tourists to view and enjoy. The village and the museum were a great asset to the City of Castlegar. As we all know, many tourists iting the Kootenays found their way to the museum and many have expressed their gratitude in seeing all these antiques and artifacts, know- ledge and understanding of the hard- ships the pioneers éndured. The Canadian Doukhobor Society strongly renounces the acts of ‘terrorism and arson which has plagued the various B.C. communities. Please let this be the last destruction of such valuable irreplaceable historic possessions. Bill Sookeroff Photograph identified Editor, Castlegar News: I would like to thank you on behalf of the Castlegar Heritage Advisory Com- mittee for giving such a good display of the picture of the ladies and gentleman on the old water wheel. Your effort brought rich-results. Last Sunday I received a phone call from Garry Gallo and.Frank Woodrow informing me that the picture was taken in the mid-'40s and the persons on the water wheel are Bill Saprunoff, Lil Woodrow, and her. young daughter Tina_Woodrow. balls and equipping them with the latest anti- ine gear. =e Mrs. Jean Wyllie retained the ladies singles championship in the annual Labor Day. West Kootenay tennis tournament held in Trail. a ' 25 YEARS AGO From the Sept. 15, 1960 Castlegar News Three Franciscan Sisters of Atone- ment arrived in Castlegar on the weekend and are now living in the new Catholic convent on 5th Ave. The blessing of St. Monica's Convent took place at noon ‘on Monday. The Sisters are from Graymoor Garrison, New York. eyseiescae New president of the Castlegar and District Chamber of Commerce is popular Bank of Montreal manager R-D—Minni o | quraeruescraneeuueueeeuctnnacnnceeiacenae cea = | September 15, 1985 Castlégar News - HOSPITAL | - AUXILIARY GEARING UP | The Castlegar and District Hospital Auxiliary will Be holding its general monthly meeting on Monday at the Castlegar and District Hospital conference room at 8 p.m. During the past year, the Auxiliary has staged a “number of projects, i ding two r sales and raffles. Proceeds went back to the hospital for “patient. comforts.” Ten ladies attended the annual West Kootenay area conference held in-Grand Forks and heard guest speaker Leonore Pratt, first vice-presi of the B.C. A of Hospital Auxiliaries speak on the importance of fundraising and patient comforts. Winners of the raffle held by the Castlegar and District Hospital Auxiliary drawn at the conference were, Leanne Stasila, Gordon Lamont, and M. Martini. Jan Heidt was again elected West Kootenay area representative for the second term. A tour of the Auxiliary Thrift Shop completed an interesting confer- ence. In December the Auxiliary held a bake sale for the hospital staff and-then-decorated the-hospital for Christ- mas, Fruit baskets were given to all patients on Christmas morning. Winner of the Silver Bar Raffle held Feb. 14 was Fred Basson. Two bursaries were given to two students entering the medical field. Second vice-president of the BCAHA nominee, Teena Leitch, Muriel Wilson and Margaret Davidson attended the annual provincial conference in Vancouver in May. Each reported ‘that the conference was, an educational and interesting experience. Installation of the newly elected officers was held at a candlelight ceremony in May at which time the annual reports were given. Installed .were: president Tony Ackney, first vice-president Muriel Wilson, second. vice-president Margaret Davidson, recording secretary ane Stasila, correspondence secretary Lillian eurnsanuayanvassenncvcacavennevesoanorescscegeasecuenncascte HELPING HAND...Anne Woreby. a Castl ‘of hospi chats with r rummage sales, raffles, Christmas at the hospital and helping with patient comforts at the hospital. Anyone wishing to give a helping hand with hairdressing, reading: and writing letters, visiting, gift shop duties, cart duties, entertaining and crafts in Joan Reshaur, and public relations Margaret Obedkoff. A pot luck dinner was held in June at Tony Ackney’s home at which time the summer program was put in place and all members were able to plan for the coming year. Plans for this year include the fall and spring ded care, should call any member of the Auxiliary. Congratulations were extended to Auxilian Teena Leitch who won a seat on the hospital board for a three-year term. Patsy Popoff now becomes the auxiliary representative on the hospital. board. Auxilian Inga Lamont is also on the board. The Castlegar and District Hospital Auxiliary also sponsors the Candy Striper program. This is a program that involves young teenagers in the hospital under the direction of the staff who help with little tasks that mean so much to patient comfort. In June, awards were presented to those candy stripers who have completed the program and assisted in _ a professional way to help with patient comforts. Margaret Davidson, candy striper chairperson, reported a successful year, and she congratulated the 20 . eandy stripers for their generous help. Quotable Quotes BRITISH PRIME Minister Margaret ‘Thatcher told workers during a recent visit to a whisky distillery in Knock- ando, Scotland: “Yes, I am a consumer. But perhaps not on the scale you. would wish. ‘Thatcher said she enjoyed a Scotch “iter. her twice-weekly question-and- answer sessions in the House of Com- mons “and other evenings when the work is done.” THE MACDONALD royal Commis- sion on the economy — at the cost of at least $20 million to taxpayers — came up with profound comments about Canada in particular and life in general. _—“As we peer into the future, there is only one central fact about which we Fred Merriman You cannot beat a motorcycle for the feel of raw power and the sense of dangerous There is no conservatism and after having been ina Jaguar, BMW and Mercedes, an ‘ous site law in Bikesville. In deadly seriousness, bikers are not mere mortals. Yes, there are i The gentle ther with a Pop Shoppe plastic case fixed to the rear rack of her Honda 50 is mortal . . . and careful. The 40-year-old accountant and his wife seated on the $18,000 fully computerized and equipped luxury two-wheeler are entirely mortal. They dare not exceed the speed limit or the computer will blow the whistle on their indiscretion. All others’ consider themselves descendants of Mercury or Bacchus. A little background, please. Merriman senior drove an Indian with a side-car for mother. His brother rode the biggest Harley Davidson built back in 1943. A breathtaking ride to the north shore of Elk Lake from Edgeware Road in Victora in- a shade over five minutes convinced: this 12-year-old passenger that uncle did have a beast of a machine and the skill to control the inani: of took me for a spin on a Harley Davidson 1500 “Special Edition”. This time I really understood. We leaned on,the curves. The pavement poured beneath us like a mighty river. Raw, exciting power describes it accurately. Riders in the steel and plastic-four-wheeled womb are denied the nearness of the environment and the wind. The response is not immediate with four wheels. It has to do with weight-to— power ratios. Finally, I have managed to pedal the Raleigh 10-speed downhill at speeds close to 50. Enough background. Despite an obvious interest in two-wheeled power machines it is my opinion and observation for this week that motorcyclists as a group are not qualified to ride on the public highways. Reason: They do not abide by the traffic laws. Motorcyclists — without prej- udice to any single biker — abuse the iderable ai ~a-wild_and fire-breathing stallion. Here was power~beyond_a small boy's imagination. Not so many years ago, after many years on pedal power, I rode a 50cc grandmother machine and found. it necessary to push the blooming thing up a couple of steep hills. Sure, I felt like Evel Knieval cruising the main street with tie, jacket and that state trooper crash | helmet. The boys at the Legion marvelled at the bookkeeper playing big man on a 50cc. Several years later in the age of inherent in their machines. The _motorcyclist has better visibility, ‘oceupies—less— machine that can an actélerate-quickly— and change direction on the top of a beer can. As one friend to another, please demonstrate more respect for highway traffic laws before you give * us apparent immortals a bad name. Your ‘driving behavior is understandable _ and readily noticeable, young and Authority without dominance. Shibumi, my friend. can be certain: There are powerful forces loose around the globe that will profoundly affect the lives of all of us here in Canada.” — “The Canadian state is a complex assemblage of institutions and norms.” — “The dominance of parties has made Canadian politics highly organ- — “Canada is a nation of immi- grants...” — “Political systems change in complex and obscure ways.” A CONVICTED murderer who walk- ed free from prison this week says he AIDS VICTIMS does not feel remorse for killing a Stanford professor in 1978. Theodore Streleski, a graduate student, killed mathematics. Professor Karel De- Leeuw to protest the way the univer- sity treats its graduate students, “If I committed a murder to criticize Stanford, if I express remorse, I just throw my whole argument in. the wastebasket,” he said. “I feel regret .. . But if I had to do it over again, I'd do it the same way.” And he said he can't rule out the possibility of killing again. theory, if someone treated me like Stanford did, I could conceive of kill- ing.” * SIGHTSEEING trips to Heysel Sta- dium, scene of the May 29 soccer riots that killed 39 people, have been banned because of their sickening and macabre nature,-a Brussels official said this week. “During vacation season, at least two bus loads of tourists a day were there,” police spokesman Roland Van Reusel said. “They did not come to commem- orate the dead, but only to pose .and take pictures. “In August there was even a bus with Italian nuns.” The Saprunoff farm ‘occupied the farm roughly from 7th Avenue to the river and lay between 5th Stréet and 7th Street. The background area is a part of Waldie’s Sawmill property. The pump was uSed to fill a 12,000-gallon tank which stood on the Saprunoff property. This should set us up for an interview and a column on one more facet of the history of Castlegar. “My sincere thanks to Frank and Garry for their valuable assistance. More later. John Charters Cl Ci Mr. Minnion succeeds former Castle- gar hospital administrator Jack Bain- bridge, who has joined BCHIS at Vic- toria. ieee ret | Social Credit was returned as the government of B.C. in Monday's pro- vincial general election while in Ross- land-Trail riding Social Credit incum- bent Don Brothers gathered more votes than the four other candidates put together. | . Squadron 581 Air Cadets started Advisory Committee Please address all Letters to the Editor to: The Castlegar News, P.O.Box 3007, Castlegar, B.C. VIN 3H4, or deliver them to our office at: 197 Columbia Avenue, Castlegar, B.C. Letters must be signea ana include the writer's full name-and address. Only in very exceptional cases will letters be published without the writer's name. Nevertheless, the name and address of the writer must be disclosed to the editor. The Castlegar News reserves the right to edit letters for brevity, clarity, legality and grammar: The untouchables NEW YORK — They are >the new untouchables of society — the men, women and children with AIDS. Shurined by some neighborhoods, hospitals and public schools, they cannot even get a cheap funeral when they die. New York City is a pretty good barometer of AIDS. It has 33 per cent of the AIDS cases in the United States. The deadly virus is the city’s No. 1 killer of young men. All three New York daily newspap- ers, The Times, Post and Daily News, gave extensive coverage to the latest hassle over AIDS in the city’s public schools. A major New York school district refuses to admit children with AIDS, defying Chancellor Nathan Quinones, head of a school system with two million students. “Fear is not going to be a factor by ich we will separate out children,” School District 27 in Queens- voted. not to permit children with AIDS, or suspected of having the killer disease, into its 34 schools. About 30,000 children are involved. Instead it will provide city-paid teachers to work with the AIDS “children at home. Marvin. Aaron, superintendent of District 27, says fear is running so high there that the local board would go to court if ordered to admit AIDS children. Officials say only eight children with AIDS, or acquired immune deficiency syndrome, are enrolled in city schools this year, none in the district imposing the ban. There was press speculation that at least 10 teachers in the city system had AIDS. But Quinones says he knows of only one and he took medical leave last year. “In another instance, polarized a religious AIDS has are handicapped, who cannot control body secretions, or who might bite other children. But many parents think otherwise. Callers flooded local radio talk shows with expressions of concern about AIDS in the schools. “If they can find AIDS in a women’s tear, what will happen to my child sitting-next to somebody with AIDS?” one irate parent asked. Fear of AIDS is bringing new On West 97th Street in New York, angry parents threatened to pull their children out of a Roman Catholic School if the archdiocese went ahead with plans to use a nearby convent as a shelter for AIDS victims. “Unfortunately a lot of people think AIDS is like the bubonic plague,” says Rev. Robert O'Connor, who spent 12 years at the convent. “They are afraid if they breathe in the air, they'll catch it.” — State health officials in New York and New Jersey-have prepared AIDS guidelines for the fall term. They- say. children with the disease should be allowed to attend regular school classes because they pose no risk. — The Atlanta-based Centre for Disease Control issued its own guide- lines. Most students with AIDS should be allowed to attend classes, the centre says. Exceptions would be children who to heter Is who generally haven't been touched by the disease. Most of the AIDS cases and deaths so far involve homosexuals and mainline drug users. The Times says fear of AIDS has become “a kind of disease in itself.” In some cases the fear is interfering with the care that is needed by those who are suffering with the syndrome, which is fatal. When doctors told Terry Dangelo, 34, that he had AIDS he leaped seven floors to his death from a hospital room. Among young professionals, AIDS is the new scare, reports one.doctor. Her office is flooded almost daily with single women urgently seeking advice how to avoid the disease. One of the ironies of the AIDS scene in New York is the $1,000 premium some undertakers are demanding before handling AIDS funerals. (Canadian Press) 1 gory adjustments. cS ant again for the new year sea they met Tuesday night in the basement of the Castlegar Post Office. . . The “sign of. friendly service” in Castlegar is now enlarging its garage to provide more services to customers. Jimmy Lamont's Castle Motors Shell dealer in Castlegar is presently adding a 30 x 36 foot addition to the present 30 x 42-foot building. . é 15 YEARS AGO From the Sept. 17, 1970 Castlegar News A deep-sea diver wa$ called in Mon- day following an investigation by local police and B.C. Hydro who received a report last Friday that a navigation unit light from a Renata buoy was missing. . 2 6 A labor dispute between area school boards and ‘CUPE ended yesterday when both parties ratified a new agreement calling for wage increases of seven per cent in each year of a two-year contract, plus certain cate- . Provincial court judge William Evans sentenced three Sons of Free- dom men to a total of 19 years in prison on Monday at Nelson, and a fourth was given a suspended sentence. The four were charged following the discovery of 68 sticks of dynamite near the Sons of Freedom encampment at Agassiz in late June. . 8 « The Robson post office, which was to be relocated, will remain in its present location. , A letter of thanks is being sent to Kootenay West MP Ran Harding and former MP Bert Herridge from the Castlegar and District Chamber of Commerce for. the two men's efforts in keeping the post office at its present location. 5 YEARS AGO From the Sept. 14, 1980 News Castlegar Chamber of Commerce re- ceived 738 visitors at its office last month, bringing the total to 1,543 for the months of July and | August. ° Andrew E. Salck: assistant deputy minister of education, post-secondary, has been appointed assistant deputy inister for universities in the Min- -istry of Universities, Science and Com- munications. Soles joined the Ministry of Educa- tion in 1970 from the prihcipalship of Selkirk College, which he had helped to plan while he was still principal of J. Lloyd Crowe Senior Recqndary. School in Trail. . Loti BISSET — To Mr. Charles Bisset of Kaslo, o girl, born Sept. CHAPMAN — To Mr. and Mrs. Births & Funerals Dan Chapman of Nelson. o girl. born Sept. 3. DEADMARSH — To Mr. and Mrs. NEIL — To Mr. and Mrs. Barry Henry Deadmarsh of Fruitvale, @ Neil of Fruitvale, 0 boy. born girl, born Aug. 29. Aug. 30. DENISON — To Mr. and Mrs. NOVLAN — To Mr. and Mrs. Bill John Denison, of Trail, a boy. .Novian of Winlow, a girl, born born Aug. 26. Sept. 5. PLANIDIN/ CLEMENTS don Plonidin and Corrie Cl ts of Salmo, a boy, born Aug. 30. DESCHENE — To Mr. and Mrs. Donald Deschene of Castlegar. twin girls, born Sept. , HADIKIN — To Mr. and Mrs. Tim Hadikin of Castlegar, a boy, born Sept. 12 JOHNSON — To Mr. Randy Johnson of Trail. oil, born Sep! SINGH/TIWANA — To Harmin- der Singh ond Haswant Kaur Tiwana of Trail, a boy, born Sept. and Mi a Sa ts SPEED — To Mr. and Mrs. Chris Speed of Nelson, a girl, born Aug. 31. MECULLOCH —.To Mr. and Mrs: Keith McCulloch of Nelson, o girl, born Sept. 2. STATEN — To Mr. and Mrs. Earl Staten of Nelson. a boy, born MUIR — To Mr. ond Mrs. Brian Sept. 4 Muir of Trail, a boy, born Aug. a. TAYLOR — To Mr. “ond Mrs. Pioneer dies great-great-grandchild. She was predeceased by her hus- band in 1962. Funeral arrangements Mary Evdokimoff of Win- law passed away Wednesday, Sept. 11 at the age of 82. Funeral services were held Friday and Saturday at the were under the direction of Appledale Hall with burial in the Castlegar. Funeral the Perry Siding Cemetery.— —Chapel. Mrs. Evdokimoff was born Nov. 31, 1902 in Saksat- chewan and came to B.C., settling in Ootischenia with her parents as 4 small child. In 1920 she married George Evdokimoff at-Ootis-_| chenia and in 1928 the family moved to Winlaw where she has since resided. She en- joyed gardening. 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She is survived by sons Luigi of io and Saverio, FUNERALS BRADLEY — Gertrude - Violet Bradley of Nelson died Sept. 9 ot e 92. Mrs. Bradley, along with her husband, were the owners of Brad's Meat Morket and Brad's Motel on the North Shore. She is survive yy her son Lorne of Gaklond: CoM: 5 SABOE — ard Lawrence Sdboe of Trail died Sept: Daltere lengthy illness at age 56. Mr. Saboe was born in Viking, Alta. five great-grandchildr sisters and num us nieces and nephews, all in Italy. EVDOKIMOFF dokimol of Winlaw died Sept. mt atage She is survived by her sons Gill and George of Wiglaw, Fred of Midway and Larry of ‘Grand Forks: 16 ‘prondvhildeen: 15 great-grandchildren; and one great. great-grandchild. Econo Spots You can save up- to 80% on the cost of this ad! 365-5210 NAZAROFF — Alex A. Nazarott y 2. Glade and Creston, Hing in Crescent, Valiey. He i: by his sons Joe of Crescent Volley ‘and John of Vanco ters Mary Verigin Sf Mission and Anne Hollaett of the New Settlement; 14 gron- nally set- dchildren: six great- “ond came to Trail ji from Nelson in Memorial donations may be 1982. B.C. Heart Fund, “She is survived by his wite Verna: daughter Denise Hughi of Nelson: sister Dorothy of Alber- brothers George of Alberta Gnd Harvey of Vancouver. He was predeceased by a brother James. Memorial donations may be made to the B.C. Cancer Fund, Box 310, Trail. Invermere at a: ney was born in Nelson and lived in Vallican until the family moved to Vancouver Island in 1965. The Company 1 Represent ia Insures and in 1928 they moved to Trail About One where Mrs. Shelling lived evec ‘Out of Five sinc Persons She is survived by her husbond bie, in Canada. 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